Conversation with Lucifer

Part 7. Creators of Universes

Tell me about life and death.

Life is the existence of the Spirit in its various manifestations. And therefore, life is infinite, just as the Spirit is infinite.

What is the Spirit? Is it God? Is it the Absolute? What is God to you? It is the one who created everything and of whom I am a part.

I am the Absolute Source of Creation of the universe. It is incomprehensible to us as a separate entity, since we are all merely its parts and reflections. It is some energy, or light, or potential that has always been and always will be, and we are all modifications of this energy and light and the unfolding of this potential. This is what is called the Dao in your Eastern philosophies. This eternal source of everything remains in a static state until some movement arises within it, a change in the configuration of its essence and properties.

Where does this movement come from?

This movement arises as a result and response to some impulse that initiates the movement, development, and unfolding of potential.

Are you talking about the Big Bang, which initiated the expansion of the universe? Yes. But where does this impulse come from? Who does it originate from?

This is the mystery of the universe, inaccessible to our understanding. Since everything within us and around us is this single source, and nothing else exists, the impulse itself must be born from this source.

In any case, it exists, and this impulse is the beginning of all beginnings and the start of all creations and changes. It is the creation of some Absolute entity, of which we are a part.

In this sense, since it is the origin of the first spark of creation, it is the one who created everything and of whom we are all a part, and this is the original God.

As a result of this impulse, a part of it was separated from this source, and the first division occurred: God and the part of God that was separated. But for development to continue, this part of God needed something to interact with. At first, this part interacted with the original God. And this continued for a long time. But the part could not understand God, even though it was a part of Him. Just as a drop of the ocean cannot comprehend the ocean. And this part developed what you call loneliness – the desire to know something similar to itself. And then, possessing the qualities of God, this part created within itself two more parts in its image and likeness. So that it could know them as similar to itself, and they could know each other. Now these two parts could know something like themselves through the knowledge of what was outside themselves, and the original God through the knowledge within themselves, and this was a new experience of knowledge. And this continued for a long time.

And then these two parts created their parts, and everything repeated, and so on to infinity. This is how the process of creation and expansion of God through His parts began, and it continues to this day. And the expansion of the universe and the Big Bang are also part of this process of the development of the original God. But those first creators of their parts were also manifested and named by you as gods since they were also creators of the world for those they created, and they also created these worlds from themselves. And in this sense, for every creation, God (the one who created everything and of whom they are a part) was their creator.

And since this process is continuous, each of you is also a God for all the creations you create.

It sounds like cell division. Yes, everything is similar. But why is the process paired? Was the world initially dual?

No, duality is just a filter of perception. Just as you can only see within a certain spectrum, your perception occurs through the filters of duality. More precisely, your perceptual apparatus is set to sort all incoming impulses into two polar groups of perception. When these filters are removed, you will be able to perceive a wider spectrum of classifications of perceptions.

The creation process was initially paired because it was duplicated from the beginning to ensure the stability of the system. Just like in a computer. You change a file, but it already exists saved in its original form so that the previously created properties do not change unpredictably.

By whom and when will these filters of duality be removed? By you, when you choose to do so. I choose now.

No, choice is not quite your desire. It is a formed structure that begins to activate in space and change it according to your choice. Right now, you are not ready to perceive this. But gradually, various forms of existence of life are being introduced into your field of perception. For example, there are more forms of matter than just two. Previously, you did not know about the existence of such a form as ether, did not know what a vacuum was… You did not know about the existence of the microcosm, and so on.

Who is introducing them?

It happens in different ways. Periodically, in your world, some are born with a strong memory of creation, and others with expanded perception. It is they who grasp information about the structure of the world and try to comprehend it. As a result, your scientific discoveries are born, which change the perception of all humanity.

You said that each of us is also a God to all the creatures we create. Whom do we create? What kind of creatures?

Various ones. Someday, you will have to see and perceive everything that you have created and brought into being.

But I created unconsciously. Is that really creation? How could I have created anything if I didn't intend to, if I didn’t know I could create?

The knowledge of creation lies deep within your essence because it is the essence of God. And so are all the mechanisms of creation. We draw an analogy with a computer. You don’t think about how this text is typed and stored by the machine, do you? For you, it’s an unconscious process. You also don’t think about how the cells of your blood and other organs are created daily. That is also an unconscious process.

Are you saying that I create the cells of my blood too? Who do you think does it? My body, my organism…

Isn’t your body a separate mechanism of creation from you?

I don’t know. But there is a belief among us that our bodies are some kind of spacesuits for the Spirit, leather sacks containing God.

Your bodies are also you, the external part of yourselves, your boundaries with God. If the center of the form thinks it is above its boundaries, then it is mistaken, just as if the boundaries considered themselves more important than the center. If you start considering your bodies more important than your Spirit, you generate various developmental imbalances, and this results in many physical illnesses. But if you start considering your Spirit more important than your bodies, this also creates an imbalance and leads to spiritual diseases.

Wait. All the teachings of the world say that the Spirit is primary, and everything else is secondary.

There is no concept of "Spirit" and "everything else." Everything in the world is a reflection of the Divine Light through the impulses of the Spirit. Your skin and your body are also Divine Light, reflected into a dense state and endowed with Spirit. You perceive primacy and secondariness from the perspective of the time of creation when there was the original Spirit, which became matter. But if you understand that time does not exist and there is only the eternal here and now, then both Spirit and matter existed and were created simultaneously from the beginning.

Is my skin spiritualized?

Yes, and it is a part of you in every sense. As long as you consider parts of yourself to be something separate, mechanical parts of yourself, you will not come to your unity. Every cell of you is a degree of reflection of Divine Light, its densification, and endowed with awareness or Spirit. If you realize this and restore your connection with all parts of yourself, which you have long lost, you will not only be able to eliminate all diseases but also manage the development and growth of your organs and cells.

Can I control the growth of my cells?

Yes. And the most striking example is hair and nails. Their growth and renewal depend primarily not on the number of vitamins you take, but on your impulse. All your thoughts sort of drop into the piggy bank of certain formations-intentions. And if you think every morning or every evening that you lack calcium, your inner creation mechanisms respond literally; they just reflect your thought, and you truly lack calcium because the mechanism of its creation in your body halts in accordance with your thought-creation. Then you hear an advertisement about miraculous pills and decide: I have little calcium, I’d better take pills. You yourself stop and start all the mechanisms of creation in your body. The same happens with insulin and many other substances.

But how do they appear in my body? Don’t I get calcium from food?

That is the most acceptable way for you to obtain calcium right now. Your perception is tuned to it, and therefore, so is the creation mechanism. But any substance is just a combination of certain particles, which are in everything and everywhere. By learning to control the formation of these combinations, you can form any substances in your body, up to and including poisons and sleeping pills.

And drugs?

Sure, here is the translation:

Yes, you could say that. The process of perception occurs in all bodies. When your Spirit feels joy, a hormone of joy enters your physical body—your scientists have already discovered this, and you call it endorphin. But this substance has many varieties, just as there are different degrees of joy. When your spirit falls in love, the hormone of love enters the physical body, and so on. All bodies are interconnected, and every day you create for all bodies simultaneously. You create their parts, you create their lives, you create their interactions with the space around them and other forms, because space is also a form of the Spirit with which you interact.

But if everyone can learn to control the growth of their organs, what will happen then? Will everyone start changing them at their discretion, and where will that lead?

I will tell you something that might surprise you. When a child develops in a mother’s womb, who is responsible for how they turn out? Why do you sometimes give birth to those whom you call freaks?

It is believed that the Spirit or Nature creates, and the mechanism of this creation is unknown.

Whose Spirit creates? Do you think that the unified Divine Spirit personally creates every tiny particle and ensures that a person has two arms and two legs?

Then there is a sort of program that creates a human with two arms and two legs. Like a computer.

Yes, and you call it nature. For you, nature is the earth in all its manifestations and some essence that creates your physical bodies. But who initiates this program? Whose creative impulse is it?

Perhaps the parents?

What about the grandparents, what about other people who exist in the field of interaction with the future mother? What about the Spirit itself, which is incarnating? Does it not participate?

I don’t know. Are you saying that everyone who surrounds the mother and knows about the upcoming birth participates? Or that the future person creates themselves in the mother's womb?

The process of creation is collective, but the initial impulse comes from the very Spirit that is being incarnated. You yourself chose to be born in human form and as a woman. But it wasn't crucial for you, for example, that your hair be light or your eyes blue. But your relatives in this life were all convinced that you should resemble your father, just as he himself wanted. And so it happened.

But my parents passed on some diseases to me. Did they want that too? There is hereditary predisposition, isn’t there?

No, there are results of collective creation. They passed them on to you because they feared they would, and thus they participated in the formation of your physical body. There are many cases where a hereditary disease is not actually passed from parents to children, just as there are cases where a child is born completely unlike the parents.

They didn’t want the child to look like them?

They didn’t form a strong intention to get that, or the intention of the incarnating Spirit was stronger and more stable.

There are cases where a black child is born to a "white" family, and everyone explains this by genetics.

There is still much you don’t know about genes. A gene is an informational file in the computer of creation, a program. A black child is born in a white family if someone forms that creative impulse, if someone launches the creation program.

So, white parents wanted a black child, knowing how others would perceive this?

It means that the parents or someone in their environment feared this for some reason. Or the Spirit itself decided to incarnate in this form.

Why? To gain a certain experience. But it is established with us that a black father and a white woman always have a dark-skinned child, that the genes of the black race are somehow stronger.

How can one program be stronger than another? If they are entirely different? What does “stronger” mean?

Faster, More Viable

The speed of creating a human child is practically the same, you know that. This confirms that the same program is working, just in different parts of it. A black father and a white mother have a black child because that's the way it's considered normal.

But then, can't we say about all the facts of life and scientific discoveries: this is so because it's considered normal? Yes, that’s exactly right. Well, then, what other beings, besides our children, do we create?

Every one of your stable thought forms results in creation. If only you could see the wonderful beings that little children create! From house spirits to colorful clouds and little people.

Do children create house spirits?

Not only children. Everyone who believes that such beings exist.

But do they exist?

Everything you believe in exists. Do you believe in house spirits?

I believe there’s a common spirit or atmosphere in a house.

Whose spirit is that? When you enter an unfamiliar house, do you feel this atmosphere there?

Yes, often.

Those who live in a certain space saturate that space with their creations and leave, as it were, their energetic traces in it. The air you breathe out every second is also a part of your spirit, and it fills the space around you, turning it into your home, a place where you feel most comfortable and relaxed, where you are nourished by your own energy. The same goes for all your household members.

In other words, you create formations from yourself and your energy, which then begin to develop independently. And these formations are parts of you, created from yourself. This is the process of creation, which is the same for the Original God and all of His creations, a kind of universal creation program. But you modify this divine energy, which originally came to you as yourself, in whatever way you choose.

So, what do I create?

All your fantasies, fears, anxieties, desires, and perceptions imposed by external information sources—all of this exists as your creations.

Where do they exist?

They exist within you and outside of you. You can create your own space of perception, expanding yourself through yourself, and thereby expanding your world and the boundaries of your interaction with this world. Right now, you don’t have physical boundaries of contact, say, with other planets. Mostly, there are mental boundaries. When you expand your world and, therefore, your perception, you will be able to have energetic boundaries with the astral projections of planets. But by expanding your perception even further, you can interact with these planets using your physical body.

But my physical body can't survive without an atmosphere or withstand the gravity of certain planets.

How do you know that? And do you know everything about your physical body? Why is it that only a tiny part of your brain is involved in your current life activities? Because it contains the mechanisms of creation and perception of all that exists. You can unlock within yourself the knowledge and ability to understand any worlds and planets, in any forms, under any gravitational conditions. Moreover, you have mechanisms within you that can change any gravitational conditions.

Are you talking about the Merkaba?

The concepts you refer to as “merkaba” and “merkana” are essentially certain programs of spatial perception. You do not move into other spaces; instead, the spaces move towards you. You simply open up the possibility of perceiving them. All spaces intersect at certain points and lines. A shift in perception allows you to connect to these points and, from them, unfold the perception of that space, which is currently folded up for you within a launch button located in your brain.

It is commonly believed that perception through the mind is inferior to perception through the heart, less complete and more distorted.

These are merely different types of perception of Divine Light. You have all collectively introduced many mutually accepted distorting programs into your mind that you use. They are like decoders or language translation programs. You can choose to stop using these programs. One way to do this is to question everything, which means considering the possibility of multiple solutions and perceptions of various facts and situations that you find undeniable. Perception through the mind and through the heart are essentially different qualities of wave reception, different receivers of Divine Light. But some of you have heart receivers that are also quite distorted; they have forgotten what love and joy are, and for them, violence has become a way of life and a mode of perception. If you perceive the world only through the heart or only through the mind, you get an incomplete picture of perception. And beyond the mind and heart, you have many other varieties of perception.

We have debated a lot about free will. Does it exist or not? One position is that we choose everything in our lives ourselves. Another is that the choice was initially made by some higher deity for us, and our task is to accept and submit to this choice, assuming from the start that all of this is done for our benefit. What is benefit? The best path for our development.

But we have already discussed that there are no best or worst paths of development; there are simply different directions of movement and changes in your portion of the awareness of Divine Light. Is the path of water better than the path of air? The worst path could be conditionally recognized as the slowing of development, because stopping development entirely is impossible. But since time does not exist, the speed of development is not an essential quality or condition.

However, it is believed that there are common development plans for the Universe, and I exist only within their frameworks and cannot violate them, as that would disrupt the plan of the Universe. It’s like if my liver cell suddenly decided to become a lung cell or live its own separate life.

If a liver cell chooses to become a lung cell, it will become one. Why do you think you have less freedom of choice than a liver cell?

You said that I choose how my cells will develop.

I spoke about co-creation. You choose together. But right now, the process of your interaction, your joint choice, is not conscious for you; it’s automatic.

For me? Are you saying that for the liver cell it is conscious?

More than it is for you. Don’t your cells send you different signals, such as pain?

But if all my organs are working normally, I don’t hear the signals.

Exactly, you don’t hear them. But let’s return to the Universe. Who do you think determines its development plans?

God.

But for God, everything is a new experience. How can you plan something new if its characteristics and new parameters are unknown? It’s like asking scientists to invent something new, without knowing what it should be.

Are you saying there are no plans for the Universe?

God has no plans. He simply exists, and we exist as parts of Him. And as His parts, He accepts any development plans for His parts, which is independent creation. Why would He allocate parts of Himself within Himself if they acted only according to His plan?

But the system of the Universe is quite stable and harmonious. If there is no common plan, how does it exist without falling apart?

Everything interacts and finds ways to interact because there is no other option. You cannot destroy life and the Universe itself. You cannot eliminate God within you, or destroy God altogether. You cannot stop the process of creation within you. Therefore, in this regard, you have no choice. God and forms of His perception will always exist, or at least as long as God has decided so. But in all other matters, it is you who chooses how and what to create, whether to create according to existing templates and creation programs or to create your own program and templates of creation. Right now, you are creating this text, which somewhat differs from the common templates of world perception, and in this way, you are creating your world and your boundaries of interaction with other forms of perceiving Divine Light.

Wait, but I can’t create everything and everyone. If I am a part of someone, can I choose something different from that of whom I am a part?

Let's imagine an infinite matryoshka doll, for the sake of simplicity. Suppose you are the smallest matryoshka, although infinity exists in all "directions." You can create within yourself and manifest another part inside of you, or you can interact with the matryoshka that is outside of you. You cannot interact with the largest matryoshka, at least not directly. You can interact with it indirectly through a certain number of other matryoshka forms, passing your creative impulses through them. In this way, your freedom lies within your internal creation, while outside of you, you create within the framework of interaction with the matryoshka that communicates with you.

If the smallest matryoshka is you, then all the others are forms of your perception of the world, the boundaries of your reality. But at a certain point, you realize that beyond the boundaries of you as the smallest matryoshka, there is a space of perception, and you are one with it. You begin to dissolve your form to interact with this space. Since you can only create within yourself (and this is a certain limitation of freedom of choice), you cannot create outside your own space. However, you can expand your boundaries, extend your internal space. You can start merging with the space external to you and unite with it in your creation.

At a certain stage of this merging, you realize that the space you are connecting with is also you, in the sense that your small matryoshka was created from it. Then you are free to choose: whether to remain a separate matryoshka or to dissolve your boundaries and merge into a larger matryoshka. Or to remain an independent matryoshka and expand yourself through your internal space and creations within you. And so, infinitely, in both directions. Because by disidentifying with your matryoshka, you find yourself once again as a matryoshka, only larger, and the process repeats.

Are you talking about the development of the human body?

I am talking about the process of the Spirit's descent and ascent. And matryoshkas are a very primitive representation, as the process is not only infinite but also multidimensional, that is, infinite-dimensional.

Does that mean I'm always acting within certain boundaries?

Yes, until you become the creator of those boundaries.

What does that mean?

It means that the true gift of love to each of its parts, given by the Original God, is that each of us can become an independent creator not only of the forms of our world but also of the laws of our world's development, building our own universe.

How is that possible? Is it when one uncovers all the matryoshkas and reunites with the Original God?

It is when one creates within oneself one's own universe and the laws of its existence. Each of you holds the potential to be a creator of universes.

But if that's the case, anyone can create who knows what!

Many do create. You just haven't encountered these worlds and universes yet, but echoes of their existence are present in your memory and in the information that comes to humanity.

Do you mean the hierarchy of Darkness?

That, too, although the hierarchy of Darkness is part of the world of some of you. I mean the multiple universes that exist. They are countless. Just as their creators are.